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Mountianbluebird
01-14-2009, 11:46 AM
Ratbird, my GCC is about 15 years old (I'll have had her 15 years this February).

Sunday evening while I was cuddling her she started sneezing. One or two sneezes while she stretches her wings out or after a bath does not concern me, but this sneeze was 5 to 6 bursts in succession, and dry. She was not eating anything, she was cuddling in my hand and preening my sweater. That night it happened about 10 times, over a period of probably half an hour. Her later bouts of sneezing sounded more like squeeks than sneezes. They are full body sneezes (looks like she is using a lot of effort) and there is no discharge at all. Her nares are not blocked. I brought her back to her cage and brought her fresh water in case she was dry. Her behavior, other than the sneeze, was totally normal. No puffing, not biting, she stepped up willingly, and generally wanted to be back to cuddling in the armchair instead of being on her cage.

This morning she was out on her cage as I was getting ready for work I heard her do the 5-6 sneeze burst 3 times. It sounded like squeeks, but I could tell by the effort they were sneezes and not vocalizations.

A few years ago (maybe 3 or 4 now) she had a similar repeating dry sneeze, and I immediately scheduled an appointment with an avian vet. Of course she was completely fine a few days later when we were at the office, he thought it could have been a piece of seed shell that was stuck. (That sneezing episode I noticed she was itching her nares with her foot, this sneezing episode she is not). He suggested getting her off seeds completely, and she has for several years now.

Her behavior, again, is very normal. She has no signs of sleeping any more than normal, perches well, is eating well, and no changes in stool. There is no signs of her breathing being labored.

I plan on doing a complete cage disinfection when I get home today.

She's also kept in relatively cool conditions for birds. The house is 58 degrees at night and between 60 and 64 during the day. She's been kept in cool conditions her whole life though, so she's used to it. (please don't flame me, I can't afford to heat my house more!) I've read that sick birds do better in warm conditions. Do you recommend trying a heat lamp? (I've never used one before, so if you recommend it please include detailed instructions for duration, temperature, wattage, ect.)

She's never been sick, every time I bring her to the vet he's impressed with her condition for her age. She does have signs of a vitamin A deficiency because when I first got her as a child, I would feed her what my Dad bought at the store... generally the cheapest bird food seed blend he could find. Currently she's on a great and varied veggie, grain, fruit, and pellet rich diet now, but my vet told me she'd have those lingering vitamin A deficiency signs her whole life (something down her thoat, I don't recal now).

Suggestions? My boyfriend thinks she's fine, and I tend to overreact. I just want whats best!

Thanks!

Shirley
01-14-2009, 04:10 PM
Welcome! I just want to tell you that you did a great job providing so much necessary information! Thank you for that!

I'm sure Dr. C will see this by tomorrow evening or Friday :) She has a lot going on right now, so if you get worried further - it's always best to take her to an avian vet.

CocosMomma
01-14-2009, 04:49 PM
Hi there, and welcome to the forum! :) As Shirley mentioned, Dr. C. will be along.. .but I did want to welcome you. I also wanted to mention that there is no flaming here! You're among friends. :tighthug: My birds are kept in what other people might consider 'cool conditions' as well. I've got the same situation - heat is expensive, and they are accustomed to the cooler temps (as are my husband and I) during the winter. My bird room is kept at around 64 degrees as well. They do just fine. Naturally, they are not in a draft, and we even caulk the sliding glass door shut during the winter to seal the room up a little more, and I have heavy draperies that are closed at night to further insulate the room. During the day, the room heats up from the sun, but once the sun goes down, the temp falls from 75-80 down to 60-65 depending on the wind. Those temps are not too cold, especially when our birds are properly acclimated.

I sure do hope your bird is ok/doing better soon! My cockatiel actually imitates a perfect sneeze which was scary when he first started doing it. The only way I could tell he was faking it was that his body was not involved in the sneeze - he was just making the sound. Now, I can tell the difference by listening, but at first, it was really odd! And my parrot imitates the sound of "snuffing a nose" which she hears a lot first thing in the morning, especially this time of year, since my husband and I both have sinus/allergy reactions. I guess we didn't realize how often we did that until she started imitating us! :rofl:

Ellen K. Cook, DVM
01-14-2009, 06:58 PM
Welcome to the forum! First, a word about room temps. Most people keep their birds too warm. Our heating systems dry out the air and can cause respiratory problems in their own way.

A normal, healthy bird could easily live in a 55-65 degree room. It is an "old wives' tale" that birds get sick from drafts. They get sick from all-seed diets, become malnourished, lose weight, body core temp drops, THEN they die. That is how these myths get started :doh: So, normally, Ratbird would be fine at the temperature of your home.

However, the sneezing you describe, combined with the lingering effects of vitamin A deficiency, could be a symptome of something more serious, like a sinus infection. Or it could be an air-borne irritant, dust, whatever. I would recommend that you take Ratbird to her avian veterinarian just to make sure. As you know, a bird will eat and behave normally, even though seriously ill. Birds are the absolute masters at masking signs of illness :eek:

Keep us posted about Ratbird's condition!

Mountianbluebird
01-16-2009, 02:32 PM
Update: The complete cage cleaning didn't reveal any mysterious fungii or molds or anything. I haven't heard a bout of sneezing since, so I've been breathing a sigh of relief, but her regular "I'm stretching out my wings" sneeze sounds a bit off to me... squeekier and less "dry sounding" if that makes any sense. (She always sneezes between 1 and three times after or during a wing stretch, very cute under other circumstances!).

I perhaps may have over reacted, but thank you for all the responses :-)

Mountianbluebird
01-20-2009, 03:31 PM
Latest update: Ratbird was sneezing a lot on Saturday morning, so I went ahead and scheduled a vet appointment for her. She'll be seen Wednesday afternoon. I didn't hear her sneeze much Sunday or Monday, but Monday night as she was sleeping/cuddling in my palm her tail was moving with every breath. That's not super unusual if she's really relaxed, and I'm hyper observant right now.

Eriisu-chan
01-20-2009, 06:52 PM
I'd rather be hyper observant than hypo observant any day! I've brought Tango to vet for sneezing, before, too. He was 100% healthy, but I'd do it again if I felt I had to!

It just means you're a good parront! :agree:

CocosMomma
01-20-2009, 07:54 PM
I'm glad you are taking her in; from what you describe it seems like a lot of sneezing. And tail bobbing always makes me nervous as a sign of labored breathing. Well, tomorrow is Wednesday, so please post an update if you have a chance! :)

Mountianbluebird
01-22-2009, 08:31 AM
She's fine :-) I over reacted as usual :-/ I do feel so much better though, our vet must think I'm a nut. I described her symptoms and the vet went into a whole discussion of the upper respiratory and lower respiratory systems of birds. He suspected it was just some kind of irritation based on its very sudden onset and the fact that she's not showing symptoms anymore (she sneezed on the car ride there and it sounded normal ::rolls eyes:: ). He checked her out thoroughly, listened to her breathing and her heart and looked down her throat. She's in great shape! He was concerned about the tail bobbing while I was holding her in the palm of my hand, and because of that one symptom he recommended one of two directions:
1. Keep an eye on her, nothing in his exam sounded any alarm bells.
2. Do a full work up, chest x-rays, blood work, everything, to see if anything shows up (he didn't think this was necessary, but did offer it as an option).

So I'm just going to keep an eye on her... not like that ever changes though.

Chill pills, however, have been prescribed to her mommy :-P This is the third time I've brought her in for sneezing and I have to convince myself that if she doesn't have discharge then she's FINE.

Thanks for the concern :-)

CocosMomma
01-22-2009, 08:50 AM
Well, that's a relief... you didn't actually teach her to tail bob, now did you???:eek: :rofl:

rocky'smom
02-09-2009, 08:10 PM
rocky makes himself sneeze by picking at his nose with his claw. it always freaks me out whenever he starts this sneeezing stuff. his sneezes are dry sounding and i most often put the stock pot with just water on the stove and at a lowest simmer to put some humidty in the air for both of us.
rocky's mom