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Jim
07-16-2005, 02:22 PM
Jean ask me to tell a little about how we got where we are so here goes.

My mother always had small bird(s) around so I guess that's the start. My first experience with a macaw was at 10 y/o. My Aunt & Uncle had a MM that absolutely amazed me. As I grow-up I got away from all that, the 60's & 70's took over so birds were not first on my list.

After I came around and joined the real world I became interested in birds again. I read a lot about them (all birds) and enjoyed reading and learning, although I didn't have one. Next came the struggle inside myself as to wither birds should be in a house and caged. That was a tough time. I started reading little bits and pieces about people keeping birds flighted in their homes and some even flying outside. Guess this is where I got hooked. This was something I thought I could do, maybe better stated, understand and live with.

Jean ask about mentors.... probably Steve Hartman (Hartman Aviary) would be that person. I have learned a lot from him. I think the reason has to do with we didn't always agree but stayed friends. He always gave me sound advice, not the street corner lawyer stuff I read so much of on the internet. No pun intended.

I can't say all my learning came form Steve. I read and learn from different sources. The freeflight list has been my flight safety net. I read and learn ALL I can about behavior from the professionals. For me, operant conditioning, better known as clicker training, is my road to communicating with my birds.

Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) has been my live saver for identifying a behavior and the why's the behavior is being done. I read everything I can written by S.G. Friedman, Ph.D and read her list, ParrotBAS. I use her ABC's in working on behaviors and have come to understand and apply it easily now. It's was a whole new way of thinking and looking at, understanding behavior, for me. It's has paid off big time for me.

If I were to say anything about what I have learned it would be something like this.

Parrot keeping is like cooking. Look into and explore ALL the spices, recipes, and combinations of, and come up with what works or tastes good to you. Do not disregard something just because your idol or friend doesn't use it or like it. I believe in the bottom of my heard that each of us will be happiest with our birds if we do what works for us on an individual basis. Not saying to disregard the obvious tried and true methods, that's a given. Just never say never if it is something you REALLY want to do.

One last thing as an example of what I have learned and/or seen. I see my birds as fully functioning parrots. They have and are allowed to use all their natural behaviors. (within reason of course) In my mind this builds trust and confidence. A confident bird is trusting and relaxed.

One example: Bird is on owners arm/hand and I am talking to the bird and would like to hold it. Birds opens his beak and doesn't want to come to me. Owner tells the bird to stop and gently holds the birds beak or kisses it to settle it down. Bird is placed on my arm. Now in my mind and experience I have a bird on me that COULD bite with no warning ! ! ! Bird has been taught to not WARN about his dislike. No warning, just bite.... and as we all know that hurts, not only me, the bird could be hurt if I jerk/react. Just something to think about and or discuss.

Sue
07-17-2005, 05:23 AM
Such a refreshing attitude, so often you hear people preaching exactly how things should be done. This may not always be appropriate for all birds. I like that you treat each bird as an individual and that everything's not black and white.:thumbup:

Jim
07-17-2005, 11:34 AM
Thanks Sue,

Ya know... It may have something to do with my past life experiences, but I just get so upset when, especially a newer bird person, asks questions on a list, and some (not all) people make it so black & white.

I think it takes away from education of bird husbandry, and muddies the water for our freedom of choice in our own destiny with our birds.

Jim
07-17-2005, 01:41 PM
It may have something to do with my past life experiences,
Hmmmm... Thought I could edit this but it's not an option today.
Anyway I don't mean "Past Live" as in a past life. It should have just been
"with my life experiences"

Bill
07-17-2005, 05:15 PM
Are you sure that it wasn't one of your past lives being a parrot! LOL! Just kidding! HEHE!

I appreciate your post here Jim.

Jean
07-17-2005, 07:04 PM
:thanx: So much Jim, for the good post. You are a true parrot parent, I am glad you shared your outlook on parrots with everyone. :goodjob: You have a true love for your boys and their future.:wub:

We share a familiar outlook about parrots and their behavior. Before I ever came to bird chat sites I studied and read everything I could get my hands on about parrots and their natural behaviors. That has been one of my goals being a
cockatoo parent. I wish I would of been around birds all my life rather then only the past 12 years.

Ginny
07-17-2005, 10:52 PM
Jim,

thanks for telling us all about you and where your are coming from and where you stand. You are doing a GREAT job with your fids and I love to hear all about them and see :camera: :funny:

Thanks for being a part of us.

vmtwriter
07-18-2005, 11:38 AM
Jim, you have an awesome attitude. Thanks for sharing.

BKHagar
07-20-2005, 11:54 AM
I certainly agree, Jim! Parrots are as individual as people! Of course they are!! I have found never to pigeon-hole (bird term!) anyone! It's not fair to do so, and doesn't help you understand someone/somebird! You have a great way of understanding and sharing this with us is wonderful! I have discovered, too, that you HAVE to go on an individual basis! SO many people say "My birds ALL do this, eat this, hate this . . . " and hey! Mine ARE just different sometimes! But then, so am I! *grin* Best to determine yourself, on an individual basis, what is best for YOUR parrot/parrots! Like determing for a child, who cannot know what is best for them, or like a new baby sitter who cannot possible know what they DO like or need best!!

Might be fun for EVERYbody to tell how they got to be parronts, or in love with parrots??! What do you think?

GREAT input to share! and I know we ALL admire you!!

Hugs!

Kim

Junkzoo
07-20-2005, 02:06 PM
Jim, Thanks for the insight on your history with birds,,(think that would make a good thread,"How I started in birds" etc,,,,)
Always nice to hear of someone's "how it started" ,,,

Thanks again!:thumbup:

Shirley
07-20-2005, 03:28 PM
Hi Jim,

I'm enjoying so much everything you write and all your approaches regarding people and birds and life! :thanx: :thanx:

:dance:

Jim
07-20-2005, 09:58 PM
Thanks everyone for the kind words.

Kim - The last sentence in your post made me blush :o You and Jeff have a great idea and I'm going to start a thread as you both suggested. Looking forward to hearing your stories. hint hint ;) ;)

harleybaby
07-21-2005, 12:05 AM
I have a very natural approach too which is partly why I don't post on a lot of forums. I know a lot of people don't agree with my thinking but thats ok too. If one of my birds showed interest in building a nest I would provide them with materials to build one. I let them regurgitate for me and I dont keep my tiels seperated and let them do their thing because I believe it enhances their lives. I dont try and discourage any behavior that I feel is natural to them. My grey Einstein has started ti bite me if anyone he doesnt know comes near me while he is out with me, of course I dont enjoy it but I know he is just trying to protect me because he loves me.


I also love susan Friedman and am a member of BAS. :D

Sorry its so choppy I'm tired.LOL